1
00:00:05,030 --> 00:00:04,230
[Music]

2
00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:05,040
the oldest

3
00:00:10,629 --> 00:00:08,480
and strongest human emotion is fear

4
00:00:11,669 --> 00:00:10,639
and the oldest and strongest type of

5
00:00:14,870 --> 00:00:11,679
fear

6
00:00:17,269 --> 00:00:14,880
is trepidation of the unknown

7
00:00:20,710 --> 00:00:17,279
when we were children our parents told

8
00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:20,720
us that monsters didn't exist

9
00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:23,199
but we were sure that something was

10
00:00:30,950 --> 00:00:26,400
lurking under the bed or in the closet

11
00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:30,960
fear sees even if our eyes are closed

12
00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:34,160
welcome to the realm of the arcane my

13
00:00:38,549 --> 00:00:36,239
name is lon strickler

14
00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:38,559
join me as i examine unexplained

15
00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:39,680
creatures

16
00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:42,840
strange manifestations of remarkable

17
00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:44,640
realities

18
00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:47,680
imagine this next hour as a voyage of

19
00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:50,320
discovery to strange lands

20
00:00:56,069 --> 00:00:53,360
seeking not for new territory but for

21
00:00:58,709 --> 00:00:56,079
new knowledge of the supernatural come

22
00:01:00,050 --> 00:00:58,719
on board as we begin this adventure

23
00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:00,060
together

24
00:01:07,590 --> 00:01:05,350
hey folks good evening and welcome to

25
00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:07,600
another episode of arcane radio where we

26
00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:09,280
explore the unexplained

27
00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:11,920
live on beyond explanation i'm your host

28
00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:13,200
lon strickler

29
00:01:17,749 --> 00:01:15,200
coming to you within a canon shadow

30
00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:17,759
historic gettysburg pennsylvania

31
00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:19,759
once again arcane radio and beyond

32
00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:22,479
explanation channel is made possible

33
00:01:26,230 --> 00:01:24,720
by you liking subscribing and sharing

34
00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:26,240
our programming

35
00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:28,640
super chat donations are essential for

36
00:01:32,190 --> 00:01:29,520
us to continue

37
00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:32,200
offering you our unique content your

38
00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:33,680
consideration

39
00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:37,040
is very much appreciated now

40
00:01:40,950 --> 00:01:40,079
tonight i welcome our friend and

41
00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:40,960
colleague ken

42
00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:43,840
gerhart to arcane radio now ken is

43
00:01:49,510 --> 00:01:45,040
widely recognized

44
00:01:51,429 --> 00:01:49,520
author and tv personality

45
00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:51,439
he has traveled the world searching for

46
00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:53,600
evidence of mysterious animals including

47
00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:54,479
bigfoot

48
00:02:01,830 --> 00:01:57,520
the loch ness monster the chupacabra

49
00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:01,840
mothman and the beast of javu jabudan

50
00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:04,159
now ken has written six books on the

51
00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:06,240
subject of unknown creatures

52
00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:08,399
and his research has been featured on

53
00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:10,080
numerous tv shows

54
00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:13,520
including missing in alaska monster

55
00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:14,400
quest

56
00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:17,280
ancient aliens america on earth

57
00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:18,480
unexplained

58
00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:21,120
and legend hunters ken's website can be

59
00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:25,360
found at kengerhart.com

60
00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:28,480
thanks for joining me this evening good

61
00:02:31,589 --> 00:02:29,360
evening lon

62
00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:31,599
it's always good to see you my friend

63
00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:32,959
thanks for having me on

64
00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:34,400
i don't know if we've been together

65
00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:36,720
since uh the cover thing started or not

66
00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:37,200
maybe

67
00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:40,560
least a year and a half

68
00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:43,760
maybe maybe yeah after the last book

69
00:02:46,869 --> 00:02:45,440
perhaps but yeah it's been a while how

70
00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:46,879
have you been doing you hanging in there

71
00:02:52,949 --> 00:02:48,000
oh

72
00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:54,869
well that's everyone but yeah i'll tell

73
00:03:04,070 --> 00:02:56,080
you

74
00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:04,080
is uh

75
00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:07,680
is essential guide to loch ness monster

76
00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:10,800
and aquatic cryptids

77
00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:15,280
um i've been going through it this week

78
00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:18,560
and before we start just

79
00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:21,680
dissecting nessie let's first go into

80
00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:23,120
the recorded history

81
00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:25,120
of phenomena and how the lore of this

82
00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:31,830
yeah well um like many cryptids uh you

83
00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:32,879
often find

84
00:03:38,789 --> 00:03:36,239
folkloric uh anecdotal folklore

85
00:03:40,710 --> 00:03:38,799
tales and legends uh you know this is

86
00:03:44,149 --> 00:03:40,720
true of course for bigfoot in the yeti

87
00:03:47,190 --> 00:03:44,159
and the almas and other man beasts and

88
00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:47,200
um you know thunderbirds and lake

89
00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:50,159
monsters and you know in terms of nessie

90
00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:52,720
um of course we're talking about the

91
00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,000
highlands of scotland

92
00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:57,120
and uh there are enduring legends of

93
00:04:01,110 --> 00:03:57,840
things called

94
00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:01,120
water kelpies uh in in the gaelic

95
00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:01,920
folklore

96
00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:04,080
and uh water kelpies were said to be

97
00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:06,879
kind of shape-shifting water beasts

98
00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:10,720
uh spirits sometimes but uh that would

99
00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:11,840
lure

100
00:04:14,869 --> 00:04:14,239
uh unsuspecting people into the water

101
00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:14,879
and and

102
00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:16,959
drown them and drag them down to their

103
00:04:21,189 --> 00:04:18,000
watery graves

104
00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:21,199
and um the descriptions

105
00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:24,400
uh or the depictions of water kelpies

106
00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:25,040
and

107
00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,080
gaelic legends were kind of like a uh

108
00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:30,400
the head of a horse and a horse like

109
00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:32,240
upper half and then kind of the bottom

110
00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:33,199
half

111
00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:35,680
more like fish-like or you know aquatic

112
00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:37,199
with a long tail and stuff

113
00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:40,080
so um similar to other around the world

114
00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:41,680
you have like in greek mythology the

115
00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:42,720
hippocampus

116
00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:45,040
and creatures like that so that's kind

117
00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:46,400
of like at least

118
00:04:50,469 --> 00:04:48,880
in terms of loch ness now you know we

119
00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:50,479
can talk about lake monsters around the

120
00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:51,440
world of course

121
00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,720
and you know and lake lake champlain

122
00:04:57,909 --> 00:04:56,320
there in upstate new york and vermont

123
00:05:00,070 --> 00:04:57,919
you had the the abunaki

124
00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:00,080
and uh the mohawks and others had

125
00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:02,479
legends of horned serpents

126
00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:05,840
uh ogopogo in lake okanagan

127
00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:07,520
uh canada of course you had the

128
00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:10,639
nahatique was the local water creature

129
00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:12,320
and so you find this around the world as

130
00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:14,560
you look at a lot of these uh

131
00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:16,560
modern sightings of lake monsters and

132
00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:17,840
then you have that

133
00:05:23,830 --> 00:05:21,120
folkloric aspect or or background so

134
00:05:26,469 --> 00:05:23,840
um you know folklore of course is a

135
00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:26,479
major component of cryptozoology

136
00:05:33,749 --> 00:05:30,000
and um this is mainly because

137
00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:33,759
um several remarkable animal discoveries

138
00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:35,280
of the past century or so

139
00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:37,840
were kind of came from that realm like

140
00:05:43,909 --> 00:05:40,800
the komodo dragon the giant squid

141
00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:43,919
the okapi the mountain gorilla and so

142
00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:46,000
you can find examples of these you know

143
00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:46,400
the

144
00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:54,880
and uh so i guess in that respect

145
00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:57,199
they're not really unknowns

146
00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:00,000
but but to uh traditional quote unquote

147
00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:01,840
western scientists these are you know if

148
00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:02,639
they're not

149
00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:04,560
in a book somewhere documented and

150
00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:05,680
described so

151
00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:08,240
anyways so yeah so we have the uh in

152
00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:10,560
scotland we have the water kelpies

153
00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:12,400
and nearby in ireland where there are

154
00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:14,240
also a lot of lake monster traditions

155
00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:16,080
you also have things called

156
00:06:21,909 --> 00:06:20,000
pasties uh or horse eels

157
00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:21,919
as they're often called so again a

158
00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:23,120
reference to a horse

159
00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:25,280
and uh and you know i'm not for for a

160
00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,720
moment suggesting that we're talking

161
00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:28,560
about aquatic horses here

162
00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:32,080
or equines but uh i you know i think

163
00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:33,840
there are some physical things that can

164
00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:35,600
be talked about and we can get into that

165
00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:36,160
as well

166
00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:40,000
so sure yeah i'm interested in in your

167
00:06:49,749 --> 00:06:47,430
you came up with a theory that kind of

168
00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:49,759
made the rounds in the crypto world as

169
00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:52,000
far as what you believe

170
00:06:58,870 --> 00:06:56,160
that uh nessie actually is why don't you

171
00:07:00,070 --> 00:06:58,880
talk about that a bit yeah well it's

172
00:07:02,230 --> 00:07:00,080
it's not

173
00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:02,240
necessarily my theory it's a theory that

174
00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:03,599
i kind of

175
00:07:08,309 --> 00:07:07,280
revisited and um you know i i know a

176
00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:08,319
huge proponent

177
00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:12,000
of uh was of the theory was um dr roy

178
00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:14,319
mackel who was a leading cryptozoologist

179
00:07:17,830 --> 00:07:14,960
who

180
00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:17,840
worked at loch ness uh starting the late

181
00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:20,479
1960s and then later went on to search

182
00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:22,319
for things like them okay liam bambi in

183
00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:23,440
africa

184
00:07:28,870 --> 00:07:26,560
so on and so forth but uh dr macka was a

185
00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:28,880
pretty smart guy and uh you know

186
00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:31,599
kind of along his same line of thinking

187
00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:33,360
not that i'm as smart as he is but i

188
00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:34,400
kind of

189
00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:37,120
followed his lead if you will um if you

190
00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:38,960
look at the most of the anecdotal

191
00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:39,599
evidence

192
00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:42,400
of the loch ness monster and similar

193
00:07:46,469 --> 00:07:44,240
lake monsters around the world

194
00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:46,479
you know most of that is comprised of

195
00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:47,440
eyewitness

196
00:07:50,469 --> 00:07:49,280
descriptions right sightings and

197
00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,479
accounts

198
00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:53,039
uh but we have a quite a few in fact in

199
00:07:57,189 --> 00:07:54,639
terms of the loch ness monster i think

200
00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:57,199
there are at least 3 000 well-documented

201
00:08:00,550 --> 00:07:58,080
accounts going

202
00:08:01,430 --> 00:08:00,560
back decades and they're fairly

203
00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:01,440
consistent

204
00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:04,160
which is compelling now most people have

205
00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:06,479
this mistaken picture of the

206
00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:08,240
you know the small head and the long

207
00:08:11,110 --> 00:08:09,520
neck kind of

208
00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:11,120
coming out of the water like that like a

209
00:08:16,309 --> 00:08:13,280
periscope with a little head

210
00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:16,319
and um a lot of that's based on the the

211
00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:17,039
famous

212
00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:19,039
surgeon's photo which we can also talk

213
00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:20,240
about which

214
00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:22,720
is is not the best thing to draw one's

215
00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:24,080
opinion on but

216
00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:26,160
uh actually head and neck sightings of

217
00:08:31,189 --> 00:08:28,319
nessie only comprise about 15

218
00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:31,199
of the sightings about 85 percent of

219
00:08:33,670 --> 00:08:33,039
people that see something in loch ness

220
00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:33,680
describe

221
00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:36,560
either one very large hump you know at

222
00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:38,399
least 10 feet long and sticking several

223
00:08:42,149 --> 00:08:39,599
feet out of the water

224
00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:42,159
or sometimes multiple humps in a row

225
00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:44,560
that seem to be connected to one animal

226
00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:47,200
and that move up and down or undulate

227
00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:48,880
vertically when they when the thing is

228
00:08:52,829 --> 00:08:51,040
breaking the surface of the water

229
00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:52,839
and people describe the skin as very

230
00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:54,320
smooth

231
00:08:59,590 --> 00:08:57,200
they don't see a dorsal fin sometimes a

232
00:09:03,509 --> 00:08:59,600
tail is reported and it's kind of a

233
00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:03,519
flat tail or a horizontal tail not a

234
00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:05,200
vertical tail so

235
00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:07,839
something like a citation and the head

236
00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:09,600
is often described as either being

237
00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:10,399
horse-like

238
00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:17,440
combining all of those physical

239
00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:18,640
descriptions which again are very

240
00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:19,680
consistent

241
00:09:22,949 --> 00:09:21,440
the animal in my opinion that that would

242
00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:22,959
close most closely resemble that

243
00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:24,720
description is something that's extinct

244
00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:27,120
but it's called a bacillus or

245
00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:30,560
or an archaea seat which is basically a

246
00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:33,440
very ancient type of whale that was

247
00:09:38,389 --> 00:09:35,279
around during the eocene

248
00:09:41,430 --> 00:09:38,399
epoch about 43 million years ago

249
00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:41,440
and uh they were an ancient

250
00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:43,760
branch in whale evolution that allegedly

251
00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:44,560
died out

252
00:09:49,269 --> 00:09:47,600
um millions of years ago but you know

253
00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:49,279
they had uh

254
00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:53,519
smooth skin

255
00:09:57,110 --> 00:09:55,440
uh they didn't have a pronounced dorsal

256
00:10:00,310 --> 00:09:57,120
fin they did have the classic

257
00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:00,320
fluke tail of a whale and uh they had a

258
00:10:05,269 --> 00:10:02,560
surprisingly they had very horse-like

259
00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:05,279
shaped heads uh they were carnivores so

260
00:10:08,630 --> 00:10:06,800
they had lots of pointy teeth in their

261
00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:08,640
mouth but the the basic shape of the

262
00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:09,600
head

263
00:10:13,350 --> 00:10:10,480
you can see it there in that

264
00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:13,360
illustration has kind of a a long

265
00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:16,560
elongated horse-like shape to it

266
00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:20,320
no ears of course but um um

267
00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:21,920
and you know that's another interesting

268
00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:23,360
is that you know every once in a while

269
00:10:26,470 --> 00:10:25,040
you also get descriptions of these

270
00:10:28,150 --> 00:10:26,480
animals having hair

271
00:10:30,069 --> 00:10:28,160
either like up something like a mane on

272
00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:30,079
the back which may be

273
00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:31,680
one of the influences on where we get

274
00:10:37,030 --> 00:10:33,440
this you know

275
00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:37,040
uh water kelpie water horse kind of

276
00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:37,920
imagery

277
00:10:41,030 --> 00:10:40,000
or even whiskers which is pretty weird

278
00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:41,040
so um

279
00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:42,959
and of course hair is also mammalian

280
00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:45,120
characteristics and the last thing

281
00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:47,519
is the is the actual ecology of these

282
00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:48,240
lakes

283
00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:50,560
so loch ness is very cold maintain it

284
00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:52,320
never freezes over but it maintains a

285
00:10:55,509 --> 00:10:54,240
constant temperature of about 42 degrees

286
00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:55,519
fahrenheit

287
00:10:58,550 --> 00:10:57,279
similar lakes where lake monsters are

288
00:11:01,829 --> 00:10:58,560
reported

289
00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:01,839
again are very cold uh glacial lakes

290
00:11:05,670 --> 00:11:03,600
carved out by the retreating glaciers

291
00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:05,680
about 10 000 years ago they're very deep

292
00:11:09,509 --> 00:11:07,360
they're very cold

293
00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:09,519
and uh that doesn't seem that seems like

294
00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:11,120
a better habitat for

295
00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:13,680
for something that's uh like a mammal

296
00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:16,240
that's warm blooded or endothermic

297
00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,040
as opposed to the old theory about these

298
00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,240
aquatic reptiles like plesiosaurs

299
00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,240
but anyways it's all speculation long

300
00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:26,160
like everything in cryptozoology

301
00:11:29,590 --> 00:11:28,880
yeah well it's just it's a best guess

302
00:11:33,269 --> 00:11:29,600
and it's just

303
00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:33,279
you know in my opinion it best fits the

304
00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:36,480
legends and the the modern reports in

305
00:11:40,829 --> 00:11:38,240
terms of the physical descriptions

306
00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:40,839
and also the ecology of the habitat

307
00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:42,959
itself

308
00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:46,320
now uh loch ness

309
00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:49,440
particular i mean there are lots of uh

310
00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:52,560
supposed late creatures and such but do

311
00:11:58,389 --> 00:11:52,959
you

312
00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:58,399
now i'm that's the way i'm going to

313
00:12:02,790 --> 00:11:59,519
state it

314
00:12:03,269 --> 00:12:02,800
it does exist is it in the lake all the

315
00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:03,279
time

316
00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:06,079
or do you think it actually can migrate

317
00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:06,560
up through

318
00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:09,040
inverness back into the ocean oh that's

319
00:12:13,829 --> 00:12:11,440
a great that's another great segue lawn

320
00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:13,839
you're a real pro because one of the

321
00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:15,279
things that i left out at the end of my

322
00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,560
last explanation

323
00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:18,399
you know i'm talking about ancient

324
00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,560
snake-like whales

325
00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:22,399
living in a lake it feels like a whales

326
00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:23,600
in a lake

327
00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:26,800
lakes are fresh water right well guess

328
00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:27,360
what

329
00:12:32,949 --> 00:12:31,279
um there have been examples of cetaceans

330
00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:32,959
or whales

331
00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:35,040
and and porpoises that live in fresh

332
00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:37,200
water in amazon you know in amazonia

333
00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:39,040
south america you have river dolphins

334
00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:40,880
that are adopted exclusively in fresh

335
00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:41,839
water

336
00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:43,440
in the yangtze river of china there are

337
00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:44,880
freshwater dolphins and you do have

338
00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:46,399
examples where whales

339
00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:49,440
smaller whales will come into freshwater

340
00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:50,240
environments

341
00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:52,079
like the saint lawrence river or the

342
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:53,440
thames river

343
00:12:58,310 --> 00:12:56,560
so what i'm getting at here is that the

344
00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:58,320
descriptions of the loch ness monster

345
00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:58,800
very much

346
00:13:01,910 --> 00:13:01,440
match the traditional sea serpents as we

347
00:13:05,509 --> 00:13:01,920
call them

348
00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:05,519
of the old lore you know there were many

349
00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:07,200
accounts of these in the 19th century of

350
00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:08,079
these giant

351
00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:11,200
snake-like animals in the ocean and i'm

352
00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:12,079
not suggesting

353
00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:14,000
they were snakes i think the name sea

354
00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:16,000
serpent is just a misnomer

355
00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:17,760
but yes i think it's a fair presumption

356
00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:18,959
that we're talking about the same

357
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,639
species that the distribution is

358
00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:22,800
worldwide

359
00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:25,839
in the oceans and that these animals

360
00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:28,560
swim occasionally into fresh water loch

361
00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:30,560
ness is connected to the north atlantic

362
00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:32,560
by a series of rivers and canals and

363
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:33,760
locks

364
00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:36,880
it's you know

365
00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:39,920
um similar to most of the lakes that we

366
00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,920
talk about with regard to lake monsters

367
00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:43,440
they're almost all connected to the

368
00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,240
ocean

369
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:46,720
so yeah i think that's and that that

370
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:48,000
could potentially explain

371
00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:50,639
why people don't see these animals all

372
00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:51,279
the time

373
00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:53,920
if they're migrating uh but that type of

374
00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:56,320
migration again is not that strange for

375
00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:58,560
for cetaceans but also there are a

376
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:00,839
number of species like salmon eels

377
00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:02,480
sturgeon

378
00:14:06,069 --> 00:14:04,320
even some types of sharks like bull

379
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:06,079
sharks that will occasionally transition

380
00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,519
back and forth

381
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,440
between salt water and fresh water

382
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:11,360
environments yeah you're right because i

383
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:11,680
know

384
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:13,120
bull sharks that have come up the

385
00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:14,880
mississippi river yeah

386
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:18,160
uh you know the osmosis uh

387
00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:21,040
you know they're they're able to you

388
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:21,279
know

389
00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:23,519
live in fresh and salt water and there

390
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:25,839
are a lot of species like that

391
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:28,959
um right in fact i believe belugas may

392
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:30,160
be able to do the same

393
00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:32,800
thing yep belugas will be seen in fresh

394
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:33,279
water

395
00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:34,959
rivers and things connected to the ocean

396
00:14:38,949 --> 00:14:37,440
yep absolutely yeah i uh

397
00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:38,959
you know i've talked to other

398
00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:41,120
researchers about the loch ness for

399
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:42,639
years now it's

400
00:14:47,829 --> 00:14:45,440
it's kind of a i don't know kind of a

401
00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:47,839
misnomer or endign to me

402
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,639
but you know i don't discount what

403
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:52,959
people say they're saying

404
00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:55,600
it's just that i wish people could i

405
00:15:02,069 --> 00:14:58,480
wish could be more consistent you know

406
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,079
uh if we really knew

407
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:05,760
that there is enough to feed on there in

408
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:06,160
in

409
00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:09,440
loch ness is there enough and i know

410
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:14,000
it's a very deep league it can't hide

411
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,560
but do you think some of the research

412
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,240
that has gone on over the years

413
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:19,680
especially

414
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,199
since i guess maybe the 30s up

415
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:25,920
uh to this time do you think has real

416
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:27,199
has

417
00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:33,519
something there

418
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:35,680
well you know long you made a great

419
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,040
argument there and

420
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:39,120
you know i i encourage that because i

421
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:42,800
think that it's important in this field

422
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,360
to challenge ideas and claims and

423
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,279
particularly extraordinary claims

424
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:49,519
and i encourage i always encourage my

425
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,639
readers

426
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:52,000
and anyone interested in the subject

427
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,160
matter to think critically and try to

428
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:56,480
stay objective and to challenge

429
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,519
the the alleged evidence and in terms of

430
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:01,600
the law you know there are problems with

431
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:04,399
for example loch ness is an oligotrophic

432
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:05,279
lake

433
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:07,759
so it's very nutrient poor there are

434
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,240
there isn't a lot of algae or plankton

435
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,880
subsequently the fish population is

436
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:14,560
fairly small even for them

437
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,920
the amount of water we're talking about

438
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:18,000
i mean it is deep it's like

439
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:21,199
it's 754 feet deep in spots to maybe

440
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,759
800 some feet and um so that's like 263

441
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:27,279
billion

442
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,519
cubic feet of water so it's a lot of

443
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,920
water but it's very deep and dark

444
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:34,079
but there's not a lot to eat and there's

445
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:35,680
not a lot of sunlight doesn't penetrate

446
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,079
it very

447
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,800
well so yeah so you can make arguments

448
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,959
like that that you know what why would

449
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,199
how would you have a population or you

450
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,920
know even a few very large animals

451
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,680
able to survive there and i you know i

452
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:49,360
always like to kind of step back and

453
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:50,480
look at those

454
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:52,240
skeptical arguments because a lot of

455
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:53,600
them are very powerful

456
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,720
so um um

457
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,120
yeah so i mean the only way to if if we

458
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,959
assume that the loch ness monster does

459
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:02,399
exist

460
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:05,439
and i'd say i'm probably

461
00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:09,520
90 you know convinced at most

462
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:12,319
because you know same with bigfoot i

463
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,520
tell people i'm 90

464
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,160
convinced i haven't seen one i haven't

465
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,839
seen one but i've spent my life

466
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:19,600
researching and interviewing witnesses

467
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:19,919
so

468
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,240
that's as close as i can get and that's

469
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,919
the scientific way to look at this stuff

470
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:25,679
is there's always a small margin of

471
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,000
error

472
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:28,960
there's nothing there's no certainty you

473
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,160
know in our universe other than

474
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:32,640
mathematics everything is basically uh

475
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:35,360
there's always a margin of error so um i

476
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:35,919
don't know

477
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:38,960
um you know i i

478
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,039
everybody wants the loch ness monster to

479
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:42,880
exist obviously i mean the whole notion

480
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:44,799
is so romantic this

481
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:47,840
you know ancient dragon like creatures

482
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:50,160
dwells in this highland lock with

483
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:51,360
mistrouted

484
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,039
castle ruins and things around um

485
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,440
i guess i i think i look at it in terms

486
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:59,360
of the bulk of evidence

487
00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:00,720
which again you have the eyewitness

488
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,080
sightings which are very consistent

489
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:04,240
there's a lot of sonar evidence

490
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:05,520
and that's one of the things i write

491
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,880
about in the book that people don't talk

492
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:08,480
about people focus on the alleged

493
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:09,840
photographs which many

494
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,280
hope many are hoaxes many hoaxes

495
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:15,200
associated with the locus monster some

496
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:16,400
photographic evidence is more

497
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,600
controversial

498
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,080
but there's a lot of sonar evidence but

499
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,760
also it's the global view

500
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,240
you know not just loch ness but again

501
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:25,919
the lake champlain monster

502
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:29,919
champ ogopogo uh lake mother

503
00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:32,400
lake monsters in russia ireland

504
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:34,400
scandinavia

505
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:38,080
uh iceland you know so and there's just

506
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:39,919
the physical descriptions are always

507
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,160
very consistent the humps the up and

508
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:44,640
down undulations the smooth skin

509
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:47,520
the horse like head where do people get

510
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:48,559
these

511
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:51,440
you know and why are all the lakes and

512
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:53,120
you had that graphic before of all the

513
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,720
lakes where the monsters are and they're

514
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,559
all kind of concentrated in the same

515
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:57,679
lines of latitude

516
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,720
too they're in that forties are in

517
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,960
the northern hemisphere and northern

518
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,000
literature yeah

519
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:05,840
yeah so i mean you know that's

520
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:12,150
yeah you know i've i've always thought

521
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,039
that

522
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:16,080
if this thing is real

523
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:19,600
it's got to be migrating or coming in

524
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:20,480
from the ocean

525
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,760
somehow and if that's the case because i

526
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:24,799
know

527
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,880
inverness and going out

528
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:31,679
to the ocean is not really that deep

529
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:32,000
this

530
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,480
that it has to have some

531
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:39,039
way of moving on land now of course

532
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:39,840
there have been

533
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:42,559
witnesses who have stated that they have

534
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:43,679
seen

535
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,840
something described as nessie actually

536
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,600
walking on land

537
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:50,000
so uh i mean what are your thoughts on

538
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,880
that

539
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,799
yeah those accounts do exist although

540
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,320
they're actually pretty rare

541
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,160
um in the big scheme of things so

542
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:58,080
they're like like i said earlier there

543
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,160
are about 3 000

544
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:03,120
well-documented nessie sightings and

545
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:03,760
only about

546
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,520
35 reports on land

547
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,400
um and most of those are older one one

548
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,080
has been fairly recent

549
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,960
roland watson is a messy excellent messy

550
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,640
investigator i interviewed for the book

551
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,080
and he's written a book about the land

552
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:19,760
sightings only if people are interested

553
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,159
in that

554
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:23,760
aspect it's possible i mean yeah maybe

555
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,640
they do come on

556
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,720
now you hear the stories more in ireland

557
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,000
we were talking earlier about the

558
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:29,440
pasties or the

559
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,440
um uh horse eels and there

560
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,760
there are many accounts of them crawling

561
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,280
from lake to lake

562
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,679
uh over short distances and kind of

563
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,679
slithering along and even getting stuck

564
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:43,679
sometimes under bridges or in cal

565
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:47,200
culverts and things so um but you don't

566
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,000
hear that and you know there

567
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,600
are i guess there are some accounts you

568
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,600
know lake champlain

569
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,400
um not so much in okanagan or other

570
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,679
lakes i mean like

571
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,039
again the land sightings are rare but

572
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:59,200
it's possible but you're right again we

573
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,000
have another

574
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,400
strong challenge here to the evidence or

575
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,559
the theory i should say which is

576
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,799
you know the river nest is very shallow

577
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:07,600
and it's

578
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,280
um it's also under constant observation

579
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,880
there's a lot of people that live along

580
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:13,919
there and

581
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,480
you know i think there's only one or two

582
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,919
very old stories of

583
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,159
of people seeing things swimming back

584
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:21,600
and forth that could be nessie

585
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,630
i don't know it's a there are mysteries

586
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,000
within mysteries my friend

587
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,880
we don't know you know and the reason

588
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:32,640
i'm i'm saying that is

589
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,400
at um take uh lake champlain for

590
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,159
instance now i believe

591
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,919
there's a strong possibility that there

592
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,240
there are underground aquifers and such

593
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:43,360
that move out

594
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:46,720
from the lake into saint lawrence seaway

595
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,600
if that's the case then maybe what's

596
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,240
coming in there or some type of cetacean

597
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,200
who knows uh and i'm wondering if that

598
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:56,799
could be the possibility at

599
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,480
loch ness i mean is is there possibility

600
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:02,880
that there are underground

601
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:06,960
caves that connect the ocean and the um

602
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,679
in the lake um that's actually been a

603
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,280
a lot of people have talked about that

604
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,440
for years but that that actually

605
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,880
is impossible on because loch ness lies

606
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,600
52

607
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,240
feet above sea level and if it were

608
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,600
connected to the ocean by

609
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:26,159
underground caverns it would be sea

610
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,039
level

611
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,799
and also and also the water would be

612
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,559
somewhat brackish or salty and there

613
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:32,159
have been a lot of water samples taken

614
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:32,799
and there's no

615
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,840
the salinity is very low in loch ness so

616
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,600
but you know you can't maybe rule that

617
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,440
out with other lakes um

618
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,200
some of the russian lake monsters which

619
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,960
i write about in my book

620
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,760
uh the lake lavinkir monster and some of

621
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,679
those others in siberia

622
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,679
uh it's said that a lot of those lakes

623
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,880
are connected

624
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,080
together by kind of volcanic

625
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,520
vents or underwater uh

626
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,440
caverns so that you know again you hear

627
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:01,039
those stories

628
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,720
um but yeah that that would be

629
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,480
the million dollar question is how these

630
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,919
things are moving up and down now there

631
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:09,120
have been

632
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:14,960
reported sometimes in rivers

633
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,080
um probably the most famous is

634
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,039
there kind of near where you are sort of

635
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,960
on the east coast uh the

636
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:25,360
chesapeake bay chesapeake yeah chelsea

637
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,240
jesse's been

638
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,400
been sighted not only in chesapeake bay

639
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,799
but you know up river a little bit

640
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,240
uh there's also in georgia there's

641
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:34,840
something called the alta maha

642
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:41,990
um and that's the savannah river right

643
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,400
yeah yeah i believe so yeah um

644
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,279
i think jesse has been seen in um or

645
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,159
supposedly seen in the patapsco river

646
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,760
goes up into uh baltimore and posse

647
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,520
patuxent river

648
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,679
uh that comes into fredericksburg i'm

649
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,520
not really sure

650
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,760
uh but i have heard a lot of different

651
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,840
things over the years you know i fish

652
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,320
i used to fish the chesapeake bay a lot

653
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,440
and i lived down there

654
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,279
and uh i've seen a lot of strange things

655
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,840
i mean i've seen things moving under

656
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,960
water

657
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,120
that i didn't i knew they weren't a big

658
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,760
rockfish i mean there was something

659
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,679
they were something and now we have had

660
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,960
sharks there

661
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:31,360
oh wow there was a huge maker caught

662
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,559
near bay bridge

663
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,000
several years ago and uh these sharks do

664
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:38,320
actually come up into the bed

665
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,559
but uh i i did my friend and i did see

666
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,400
something go underneath the boat one

667
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,120
time

668
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,559
wow i don't know what the hell that

669
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,320
thing was i mean this was definitely not

670
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,520
a shark

671
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,520
so maybe there is something in the

672
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,000
chesapeake bay who knows

673
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,159
yeah no recent sightings on that one

674
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,400
really no there was a good video shot in

675
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,120
1982 the fru footage

676
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,080
um but i interviewed a local historian

677
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:05,679
there in the area who's actually writing

678
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,480
a book on

679
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,960
chessy and from a skeptical point of

680
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,400
view because he thinks it's

681
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,279
mostly just a folkloric thing but um but

682
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,880
he was telling me that there he he's

683
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,480
been digging and he hasn't found any

684
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,960
really recent sightings since the 1990s

685
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:19,440
i think

686
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,110
yeah yeah well you talked to some of the

687
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:29,039
old-timers especially down in the lower

688
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:29,919
bay

689
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:33,120
uh the crab fishermen and the oyster uh

690
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:33,760
fishermen

691
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,640
and um they will tell you a lot of

692
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,320
different things i mean you know

693
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,279
there are some huge animals in there but

694
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,039
for the most part i believe they're just

695
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,480
either huge uh straight bass or

696
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,799
maybe a big blue blue fish or something

697
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,159
like that that come you know that are

698
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:52,080
very common in the bay

699
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,080
also some huge eels too because um

700
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,679
uh i know the tabs go river actually is

701
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:00,880
a spawning ground

702
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,720
area where the eels american eels come

703
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,279
up

704
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,559
and of course they all go down to

705
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,200
sargasso sea and and meat down there but

706
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,640
then yeah get the way back

707
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,760
up and uh man i've seen some of those in

708
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,880
the river that are just

709
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:18,000
absolutely humongous yeah

710
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,520
some of those yields get pretty big

711
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:21,120
you're right and they migrate they're

712
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:22,320
andronymous

713
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,919
and uh they're also um at least in

714
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,760
some of those northern rivers you get

715
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:29,360
the the lake sturgeon

716
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,919
which uh like white sturgeon uh

717
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,840
uh there's uh the white sturgeon there

718
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:37,360
on the you know you have the atlantic

719
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,559
sturgeon and then you have the white

720
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,240
sturgeon on the pacific coast and some

721
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:41,440
of those get to be

722
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,039
you know 7 10 11 feet long

723
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,120
and they're really prehistoric looking

724
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,480
fish because they've got these bony

725
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,400
plates in the back

726
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,480
and they're kind of like elasmobranks or

727
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:54,720
sharks because they have that

728
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,240
cartilaginous you know weird kind of

729
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,679
prehistoric

730
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,919
look to them so yeah they can they can

731
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,039
get absolutely

732
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,080
humongous i mean i i was actually

733
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,080
i had actually seen one up in near the

734
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,799
columbia river years and years ago

735
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,720
uh some guy taken out of there and that

736
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:13,840
thing had to have been

737
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,320
seven foot long it was huge yeah and um

738
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,840
yeah so i guess i gotta ask this

739
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,679
question i mean i asked it about every

740
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:25,760
other cryptid

741
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:30,159
what is the what's the possibility

742
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,240
that uh nessie or even other lock

743
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,279
uh lock creatures or are

744
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:40,720
may possibly be supernatural

745
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,760
yeah well um you know that i think

746
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,320
the strongest argument for the the

747
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,039
supernatural advocates is always

748
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,039
you know why can't why can't we find

749
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,720
them you know why are the photographs

750
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,559
never good enough why don't we have a

751
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,559
body that washed up on the shore

752
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:58,480
or you know and again those are good

753
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,600
challenges

754
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,039
um i'm not you you know me

755
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,559
i mean i've obviously i've investigated

756
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,360
things like the mothman and some dogman

757
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,520
encounters and things and some of those

758
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:11,760
kind of fringe

759
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,360
cryptids or creatures but um you know i

760
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
i tend to be a little bit more of a

761
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,559
traditional cryptozoologist in terms of

762
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,399
focusing on the zoological part

763
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,799
so i totally understand why people think

764
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,480
those things because

765
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,799
you know again the lack of evidence

766
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,640
almost seems supernatural that's the

767
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:32,080
thing that's really hard to wrap our

768
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,799
heads around

769
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,200
is that if they are animals even if

770
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,840
they're very rare and elusive

771
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,640
you know it just seems like you know at

772
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,399
least we'd have

773
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,960
you know a better photo you know a clear

774
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:45,760
something so

775
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,279
um you know my as you know my

776
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,279
my great friend and and colleague nick

777
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,520
redfearn wrote a book called nessie

778
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,559
a few years ago and he he kind of took a

779
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,960
that was an interesting you know kind of

780
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,159
look that you know and that's what i was

781
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,279
referring to

782
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,039
so there is a lot of weird stuff about

783
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,039
loch ness i mean obviously

784
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,600
you know aside from aleister crowley you

785
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,320
know living alongside the lock and doing

786
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:13,039
weird rituals and things for for years

787
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,000
you have

788
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,880
a lot of the old gaelic legends you know

789
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,240
we talked about the water kelp

790
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,159
originally being like kind of a spirit

791
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,159
animal and a shape shifter

792
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:25,919
um there's a ghost ship on loch ness i

793
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,320
don't know

794
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:28,320
if a lot of people know this but there's

795
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,440
there are stories that

796
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,360
like every something like every 10 or 20

797
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,520
years there's this ghost ship this old

798
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,720
sailing ship

799
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,799
that's seen fly you know so that's kind

800
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,559
of a weird old story so yeah you get

801
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:39,679
that

802
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,159
of spooky eerie supernatural vibe

803
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,240
particularly with loch ness

804
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:49,200
i i don't know if you could apply that

805
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,399
per se with some of these

806
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,559
other lake monsters and you know and

807
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,760
then i always have to make like the

808
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,120
arguments like

809
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,240
um like people talk about bigfoot

810
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,679
traveling through portals and

811
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:02,320
like my retort to that is always like

812
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,039
well

813
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,720
why are all the portals way out in the

814
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,320
wilderness why aren't there portals in

815
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,240
the walmart parking lot why aren't there

816
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,399
portals in times square

817
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,559
you know and the same thing applies to

818
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,000
nessie it's like if nessie is

819
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,760
supernatural

820
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,919
why are creatures like nessie why are

821
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,000
they not being seen in

822
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,520
tiny ponds in you know kentucky

823
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,360
why are they always seen in these

824
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,559
northern

825
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,760
glacial cold connect deep connected to

826
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,520
the ocean types of similar lakes and why

827
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,360
are they grouped together

828
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:36,799
and seemingly a biological distribution

829
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:37,520
you know that

830
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,880
that but i don't know i mean we you know

831
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,880
we're so fallible as humans long we just

832
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,080
don't know that much

833
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,320
you know i can probably and you know i

834
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,440
have talked about the

835
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,360
the supernatural aspect of a lot of

836
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,440
cryptids

837
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,559
big foot upgrade canines i've

838
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,720
i've been preaching that for a while now

839
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,960
the possibilities but when it comes to

840
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,840
um

841
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,080
late creatures ah that seems kind of a

842
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,519
stretch to me

843
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:06,000
uh of course i like you said nick wrote

844
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:06,559
about

845
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,240
with me

846
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:12,399
and i thought hmm i don't know you know

847
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,279
that's

848
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,880
you know he was talking about fault

849
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,799
forms and things showing up here and

850
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,159
there and i thought okay

851
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,559
well that may very well be but of course

852
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,919
you know

853
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:24,080
everybody there's conjecture on all this

854
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:24,960
stuff and

855
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,840
uh i guess it's our job to figure it out

856
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:32,399
yeah and there's also bias and you know

857
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,200
that's the audio

858
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,960
i like to talk about in all my books and

859
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:36,640
i don't mean that in it i don't ever

860
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,279
mean that

861
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,279
to sound negative or to be in a negative

862
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,240
thing but it's a true

863
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,600
fact that all human beings are very

864
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,679
much individuals in terms of our belief

865
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,200
systems

866
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,440
how we were raised what our experiences

867
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,519
have been you know our cultures and all

868
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,559
these things

869
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,440
and so all of us have different ways or

870
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,880
filters of looking at

871
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,640
things and particularly when you're

872
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,640
talking about the unexplained

873
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,640
which is you know these are these are

874
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,080
topics that touch

875
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,159
us in a very profound way at the very

876
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,679
root of our

877
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,919
you know of our being you know these are

878
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:13,360
the great mysteries the enduring

879
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,240
mysteries of

880
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,279
of humanity so um

881
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,760
so yeah i understand why some people

882
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:20,720
have more of a

883
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,760
of an interest in supernatural or at

884
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,519
least more of an acceptance

885
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,279
or maybe they've experienced things in

886
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:29,039
their life you know

887
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,399
lived in a haunted house when they were

888
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,159
growing up i hear that a lot and stuff

889
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,200
like that

890
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,600
um you know nick of course is an

891
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,679
excellent cryptid researcher

892
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,000
but you know he's also very well known

893
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:42,240
in the ufo field and he's investigated a

894
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,120
lot of

895
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,399
books about roswell

896
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,600
and a lot of the great ufo cases and

897
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,519
you know things like that so he's got

898
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,200
kind of a different

899
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,320
um way of looking at

900
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,240
phenomenon than i do which is cool

901
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,679
because that's how people come and

902
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,440
or you and that's how people come up

903
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,519
with different ideas and

904
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:06,080
and and we we exchange those ideas and

905
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:06,880
yeah

906
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,080
you know that's us guys have been

907
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:13,919
involved with the uh

908
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,679
the abduction scenarios and aliens and

909
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,480
this and that

910
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,720
yeah we kind of get uh touched when it

911
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,880
comes to cryptids because

912
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,159
we kind of put a little bit of that

913
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,039
together now of course

914
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,159
here in pennsylvania but there have been

915
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:32,399
some sightings of like bigfoot and ufos

916
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,039
together and

917
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:36,080
other places as well but there are there

918
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,600
seem to be some connections of course

919
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,440
the presque isle

920
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:42,640
uh incident is a perfect example

921
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,159
so uh i don't know i mean yeah i guess

922
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,240
i guess i i use a lot of that influence

923
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,159
of stuff i'm investigating kind of tied

924
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,080
together so

925
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,640
can we eliminate one aspect of of the

926
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,000
lake monster mystery

927
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,080
sure and i think we can all definitively

928
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,039
agree that we can't connect it to ufos

929
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,720
so ladies and gentlemen i believe this

930
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,640
monster does i've never heard anyone

931
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:06,159
suggest that but at least

932
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,360
i think we could rule that one out i

933
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,599
mean i know people talk about bigfoot

934
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,679
sightings with ufo activity in the air

935
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,280
mothman but yeah

936
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,119
i can't think of any anyone ever

937
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,520
describing a a spaceship landing

938
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,720
over loch ness in a a giant 40-foot

939
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,560
monster coming out and going to the lake

940
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,359
so i don't know

941
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,679
i digress yeah well i i can i can buy

942
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,560
that i mean

943
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,359
i i have not heard of anything even

944
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,879
suggesting that

945
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,320
other than maybe these

946
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,919
uh these fly manta ray

947
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:40,000
beings that i've been reporting on for

948
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,040
years

949
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,960
uh there may be a connection there

950
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,720
somewhere to do with

951
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,440
something associated possibly with water

952
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,879
and flying and such

953
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,800
but yeah beyond that i think that's a

954
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,000
stretch

955
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,960
um you know i'd like to be a little

956
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,839
self-indulge

957
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,599
indulge in here for a moment and vent if

958
00:35:03,270 --> 00:34:59,520
i could a little bit because

959
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,280
um you know i get obviously i have a lot

960
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,440
of people that reach out to me to share

961
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,960
their experiences with sightings which

962
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,440
i'm always excited and happy to to hear

963
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:10,480
and listen to people

964
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,240
and and hear what they have to say um

965
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,480
i every once in a while i run across

966
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,640
somebody and it's often an experiencer

967
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,079
or someone who's

968
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,400
who's had some kind of encounter or

969
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,240
something that they can't explain

970
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,119
and they basically tell me that they

971
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,119
alone have solved

972
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,599
the mystery of all of these things you

973
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,040
know and it's always related it's

974
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,880
bigfoot it's ufos it's ghosts

975
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,040
whatever but they're the ones who

976
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,359
finally put the all the pieces together

977
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,760
and i i gotta tell you a lot i take that

978
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,599
i maybe i shouldn't but i kind of take

979
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,359
it a little personally

980
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,440
you know not only on my behalf but for

981
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,680
for people like you and for all of the

982
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,800
the hundreds of excellent investigators

983
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,240
of the unexplained that i've

984
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,520
i've had the honor of working with

985
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,440
through the years because

986
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,960
you know all of us have been working

987
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,200
hard trying to solve these mysteries and

988
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,920
and get to the truth and so when someone

989
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:05,839
kind of comes at me and like hey man

990
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,040
you know i figured it out dummy yeah

991
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:11,839
yeah i think we've all heard that though

992
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,240
i mean

993
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,720
yeah i agree with you it's like okay

994
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,079
well

995
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,000
do i want to hear what this person has

996
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:20,640
to say or not i will listen to them

997
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,839
yeah but anyways i

998
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,520
i bumped heads with a couple of those

999
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,960
guys lately because i'll call them out a

1000
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,720
little bit i'll say look it's kind of

1001
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:31,680
it's you're it's disingenuous to me and

1002
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,079
other

1003
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,040
investigators out there that you are the

1004
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,480
one that figured this all out and we're

1005
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,680
all just kind of bumping around in the

1006
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,640
dark for

1007
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,760
decades and we don't know what we're

1008
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,320
doing so none of us know

1009
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,440
you know i mean it's it's fascinating

1010
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,480
i love cryptozoology but i'm also very

1011
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,800
interested in ufos and the paranormal

1012
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,400
and all these things i have friends that

1013
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,599
do all of these

1014
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,119
different and it's it's to me it's

1015
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,359
anything unexplainable is is incredibly

1016
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,800
fascinating and i've been i've been

1017
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,560
loving watching these news reports

1018
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,079
lately every night

1019
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,839
with the you know the navy pilots and

1020
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,920
the final ufos are like making it onto

1021
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,359
like the headline

1022
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,040
yeah you know not that i have a strong

1023
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,880
opinion on what that means

1024
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,560
but it's just fun to kind of watch that

1025
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:14,079
and say oh they're going to have a

1026
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:14,560
pilot's

1027
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,320
talk about a ufo they saw and so

1028
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,680
i don't know so all this stuff is

1029
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,359
fascinating and fun i guess that's

1030
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,280
the only point i'm trying to make well

1031
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:25,440
between you and i i'm skeptical of all

1032
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,079
that but

1033
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,720
who knows you know i i i'm of the

1034
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,839
mindset that

1035
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,520
unless they've got to tell us they're

1036
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,000
not going to say too much

1037
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:37,040
yeah um i i you know and i i don't know

1038
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,680
i mean they

1039
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,960
there's obvious there's there are

1040
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,800
obvious considerations there i mean

1041
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,560
people could obviously panic

1042
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,240
and consider especially after everything

1043
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,440
we went through with this horrible

1044
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,040
pandemic it was like we were living in a

1045
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,480
science fiction movie

1046
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,920
and now if they were to come down and

1047
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,680
say oh yeah then the aliens really are

1048
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,640
here

1049
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,320
you know that might that might tip us

1050
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,160
over the edge but i will say this one of

1051
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,520
the theories that they were talking

1052
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,839
about this is just my

1053
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,760
you know little wheels turning here but

1054
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:03,359
you know they're talking about that this

1055
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,680
is

1056
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:06,320
technology that maybe if not our

1057
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,920
military has that maybe

1058
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:10,079
god forbid russia or china has developed

1059
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,200
some incredible

1060
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,760
hypersonic technology for these ufos

1061
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,839
well if that's the case

1062
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,440
why have people been describing these

1063
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,480
things since the 1940s

1064
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,240
they didn't come up with that technology

1065
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,960
back then so it's the same thing people

1066
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:27,040
are still seeing these ufos and they act

1067
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,160
the same right i mean

1068
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,000
they move at impossible speeds and they

1069
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,760
can jump around and

1070
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,400
vanish and i don't know so i don't i'm

1071
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,560
not saying they're aliens but

1072
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,720
i'm skeptical that these some of them

1073
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,040
may be military but i'm skeptical that

1074
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,040
the the phenomenon as a whole is just a

1075
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,520
misunderstanding based on

1076
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,280
some kind of recent technology that

1077
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,000
doesn't make sense to me

1078
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,280
so let's talk about other secrets now

1079
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:55,520
you know starting with those leviathans

1080
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,400
that

1081
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,800
supposedly destroyed sailing ships in

1082
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,160
the open ocean

1083
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,040
yeah is there any real tangible evidence

1084
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,400
that any of this occurred at any point

1085
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,920
um well you know most of the old sea

1086
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,640
serpent

1087
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,839
well you know you get to the real old

1088
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,079
stories

1089
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,800
like guys like olas magnus back in the

1090
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:17,920
in the

1091
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,119
16th century was writing about

1092
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,480
um you know these sailing ships being

1093
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,119
torn apart by these great sea serpents

1094
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,680
and then later on you had stories from

1095
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,920
you know eric pontopidon the bishop of

1096
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,079
bergen and different people but

1097
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,560
most of the sea serpent accounts the

1098
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,400
famous ones from the 19th century did

1099
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,760
not really involve any hostility you had

1100
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:44,240
the most famous was in 1848 when you had

1101
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:44,800
the uh

1102
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,920
the hss hms daedalus

1103
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,359
which was a british frigate that was

1104
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,200
sailing off the coast of of southwest

1105
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,800
africa there and these

1106
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,960
you know like 11 crew members watched

1107
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,599
this thing swim by and it didn't attack

1108
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,920
them they were just like watching it

1109
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,920
through their glasses and things and

1110
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,359
saying that's a sea serpent

1111
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,079
um there have been similar observations

1112
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,200
through the years

1113
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:09,040
so i don't know if these things are

1114
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,720
potentially

1115
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,520
aggressive now that said there are a lot

1116
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,400
of i found

1117
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,599
researching the for the book i found

1118
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,040
actually a lot of accounts

1119
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,839
of about modern boats either being

1120
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,480
directly lifted out of the water

1121
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,640
presumably by one of these lake monsters

1122
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,560
and then dropped back down

1123
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,240
or a couple of times kind of being

1124
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,920
rammed or whatever

1125
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,680
yeah so that that's that seems to be a

1126
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,160
recurring thing it happened in uh

1127
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,400
their stories in loch ness but also in

1128
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:40,319
uh scandinavia

1129
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:44,560
uh uh a lake monster named selma

1130
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,079
um in lake memphis magog up there

1131
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,839
um i think one

1132
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:54,000
one in australia so this is a recurring

1133
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,440
story where some guys are out in a

1134
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,680
usually a small boat and it just

1135
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,680
literally like rises up out of the water

1136
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,160
like they're on the back of some animal

1137
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,599
that's lifting them out of the water and

1138
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,440
then eventually it drops them back down

1139
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,880
so that seems to happen quite a bit

1140
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,560
which would be pretty scary

1141
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,079
i think pretty terrifying if you were

1142
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,680
out you know bass fishing or whatever

1143
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,760
and suddenly you realize that something

1144
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,200
just water lifted you up um

1145
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:19,200
so i don't know if the the traditional

1146
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,240
loch ness monster

1147
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:22,240
or sea serpent or lake monster i would

1148
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,839
consider to be

1149
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,960
particularly aggressive i think you know

1150
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,000
you always get those

1151
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,440
old stories um

1152
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,359
and again a lot of those like you know

1153
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,200
again like with bigfoot

1154
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,599
you know i mean i'm not an advocate of

1155
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,839
the bigfoot being the sasquatch being

1156
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,359
dangerous or aggressive towards humans

1157
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:43,920
as you know but if you go farther back

1158
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,640
then you get the old stories like um you

1159
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,160
know teddy roosevelt story

1160
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,800
about the trappers bauman and the guy

1161
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,520
getting killed by a bigfoot and uh

1162
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:56,079
the eighth canyon story from 1924 where

1163
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,720
the the

1164
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,720
miners are being attacked so i mean

1165
00:42:01,190 --> 00:42:00,160
that's the parallel there is usually

1166
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,200
those stories of the

1167
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,760
attacks and aggression are usually like

1168
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,520
older stories

1169
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,520
and uh you don't hear a lot of modern

1170
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,640
accounts that

1171
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,920
so i guess what i'm trying to say is

1172
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,319
that you know yes these these cryptids

1173
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,920
are monsters in terms of their

1174
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,680
appearance and they're big and there's

1175
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,880
frightening looking and we don't know

1176
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,280
what they are but i don't

1177
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:21,359
view them personally as monsters in

1178
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,480
terms of

1179
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,400
you know they're not out to get us

1180
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:26,720
they're just animals that are

1181
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,240
probably trying to avoid us if anything

1182
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,200
now there is one uh one of these sea

1183
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,400
creatures that kind of fascinates me

1184
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,960
and i i know you did the show up in

1185
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:40,800
alaska and up in that area

1186
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,560
um the cadbury saurus and i'm quite sure

1187
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,079
you've heard of that well you had it in

1188
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,040
the book

1189
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,800
can you tell us a bit about that yeah

1190
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:51,040
cadburysaurus

1191
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,119
uh or you know shorter nickname is caddy

1192
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,040
is a sea serpent animal that's been

1193
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,640
reported

1194
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,280
off the coast of british columbia uh

1195
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,359
specifically in a place called cadbury

1196
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,599
bay which it's named after

1197
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,640
and the straits of juan de fuca

1198
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,839
and the georgia straits and some of

1199
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,720
those little

1200
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,720
you know kind of in between vancouver

1201
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,480
island and and the mainland there in

1202
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,240
british columbia

1203
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:21,440
um and maybe the sightings go up

1204
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,599
all the way to alaska um

1205
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,240
but uh the the really the best

1206
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,480
photographic evidence for any lake

1207
00:43:33,309 --> 00:43:32,079
monster or sea serpent

1208
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,319
is actually related to the

1209
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,079
cadburyosaurus yeah and it's not even of

1210
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,680
a live animal

1211
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,760
but uh interestingly enough it's of a

1212
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,119
cadaver

1213
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,760
a carcass that was pulled out of a

1214
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:45,440
whale's stomach

1215
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,880
back in 1937 on a place called queen

1216
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,920
charlotte island

1217
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,720
in uh in uh at a place called maiden

1218
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,520
harbor

1219
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,119
and these whale cleansers who were the

1220
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,280
guys that cleaned the whales when they

1221
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,119
the whalers used to drag in these sperm

1222
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,480
whales and things and they would clean

1223
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,079
them out

1224
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,000
and kind of get the blubber and all that

1225
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,000
stuff they found this like snake-like

1226
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,839
animal plopped out of the stomach and it

1227
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,560
was about 12 or 14 feet long

1228
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,800
it had kind of a weird camel or horse

1229
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,240
like head

1230
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,640
it had a kind of a fluke tail and two

1231
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,240
flippers on the front end and

1232
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,160
it didn't seem to be rotting and

1233
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,000
decomposing it seemed to be fairly

1234
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,760
well intact like it had just been eaten

1235
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,520
by this whale

1236
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,040
and no one had ever seen anything like

1237
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,319
it before uh none of the people there so

1238
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,920
the guy in charge whose name was hubbard

1239
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,560
he uh he had them lay this animal out on

1240
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,640
some boxes you just showed a photo and

1241
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,640
they put a white white sheets behind it

1242
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,119
for contrast they took some photographs

1243
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,440
and um the photographs were later

1244
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,000
published in some newspapers and things

1245
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
um sadly uh tragically no one knows what

1246
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
happened the actual carcass itself it

1247
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,160
seemed to have disappeared there was a

1248
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,760
rumor that some of the remains may have

1249
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,560
been sent to a

1250
00:45:02,589 --> 00:45:01,520
museum in british columbia uh but you

1251
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,599
know it may have just been

1252
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,079
unceremoniously dumped

1253
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,400
back into the ocean who knows anyways

1254
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:07,760
this particular photo

1255
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,680
is weird as it looks it fits the classic

1256
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,160
archetypical sea serpent in terms of the

1257
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,440
horse-like head the long snake-like body

1258
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,960
the two flippers and the the skin or

1259
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,640
you know it's got it seems to have maybe

1260
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,400
even like a mane or something going down

1261
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,440
the back so it kind of fits the

1262
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,520
description that would be a smaller

1263
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,839
sea serpent since the people have

1264
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:32,160
described them being like 40 to 60 feet

1265
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:33,119
long

1266
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:37,680
it would be a juvenile perhaps

1267
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,240
but even skeptics of cryptozoology

1268
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:44,480
uh have looked at this photograph and

1269
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,440
said

1270
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,319
you know this i mean it's not impossible

1271
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,920
that this was a real animal that's just

1272
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,599
unknown you know and it's nothing we've

1273
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:53,440
ever seen before so

1274
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,880
i don't know i i again it looks to me

1275
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,880
it it doesn't look like a plesiosaur

1276
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,720
right it's clearly whatever that thing

1277
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,560
is it's a mammal

1278
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,359
and um the thing that it most resembles

1279
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,839
would again be one of these ancient

1280
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,520
snake-like whales that that i was

1281
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,839
talking about bacillus ores or archaea

1282
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,400
seeds

1283
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,960
it's not exactly like but closest to

1284
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,079
that

1285
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,680
you know like almost like it would have

1286
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,200
evolved from something like that

1287
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,880
so i don't know i think that that is

1288
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,560
pretty compelling evidence

1289
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:25,839
and and that that photo itself kind of

1290
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:29,520
reminds me of some of the depictions

1291
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,280
of uh champ that people have made

1292
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,520
over the years yep uh with that

1293
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:36,720
horse-like head

1294
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,000
and uh of course he had the man's a

1295
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,119
photograph but yeah you know some people

1296
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:45,119
have seen

1297
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,440
described it with that horse-like head

1298
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,839
so uh that's kind of what i related to

1299
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:53,520
and i i think there have been some

1300
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,720
expeditions up in the region

1301
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:59,440
uh to in there's a particular lake and i

1302
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:59,920
forget

1303
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,720
the lake off hand where there have not

1304
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,160
and it hasn't been too long ago where

1305
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:06,079
they had actually gone in there

1306
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:10,319
looking for something similar to this

1307
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,599
yeah and um so presumably

1308
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:16,000
the cadbury saurus and again there are

1309
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,599
many sightings there off the

1310
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,599
the coast of bc that predate the loch

1311
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,520
ness monster even

1312
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,960
um and and the lake champlain monster he

1313
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,960
pretty predates both of those there were

1314
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,000
there was a big

1315
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,440
champs flat back in 1873 so

1316
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,160
pt barnum actually put out a reward so i

1317
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,280
mean it was a

1318
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,640
so yeah these things have been around

1319
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:38,880
for a long time uh whatever they are

1320
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:41,210
if they exist and um

1321
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,319
[Music]

1322
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,400
so again i think the uh the naden harbor

1323
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,079
carcasses is a compelling

1324
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,000
now i talk about there's a chapter in my

1325
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,319
book that's dedicated to

1326
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,800
uh uh some can some confounding

1327
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,119
carcasses is the title of the chapter

1328
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,200
and it's true there have been many cases

1329
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:59,760
of animal carcasses that have washed up

1330
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:00,160
shore

1331
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,359
ultimately identified were originally

1332
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,000
called monsters or sea serpents

1333
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,640
and you know the most famous of is like

1334
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,960
the strong say beast which was

1335
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,359
you know up in uh you know the orkney

1336
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,200
islands off the coast of scotland back

1337
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,480
in uh

1338
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,520
early 1800's and then you had um

1339
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,040
you know many other examples but all of

1340
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,119
those have been subsequently identified

1341
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,119
as being either rotting decomposing

1342
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,960
basking sharks

1343
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,680
or whale carcasses and another famous

1344
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:36,000
one of course is the zayomaru carcass

1345
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,119
which was

1346
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,200
pulled up out of the ocean off the coast

1347
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:40,720
of new zealand by a

1348
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,520
japanese trawler in 1977 and everyone

1349
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880
has seen the photo of this thing like

1350
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,319
kind of hanging

1351
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,760
from ropes and it looks like a

1352
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,599
plesiosaur

1353
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,000
um you know hasn't been definitively

1354
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,000
i've been identified as a basking shirt

1355
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,160
but it seems to be based on

1356
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,359
studies that have been done on its uh

1357
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,400
physical composition and things so

1358
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,319
um yeah so you know that that would be

1359
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,920
the hope is that if these animals

1360
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,079
actually exist that one day

1361
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,319
one of them will actually wash up on a

1362
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:12,319
on a beach somewhere

1363
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,520
but um you know the oceans are vast and

1364
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,760
deep lawn i mean

1365
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,480
71 of the earth's surface is covered by

1366
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,640
deep water that's averaging 12

1367
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:26,000
000 feet deep i mean that's that's way

1368
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,480
deep

1369
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,400
and so there's definitely things down

1370
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,319
there that we haven't seen yet yeah i

1371
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:33,040
think we'd be shocked if we actually

1372
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:37,760
knew what was down there you know uh

1373
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,960
the possibilities are endless i believe

1374
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,440
uh you know and if anybody has seen it

1375
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:45,200
they either didn't live to tell about it

1376
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:46,240
or

1377
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:52,559
but uh yeah i um

1378
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,760
i don't know i you know i you know

1379
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,319
lake creatures ocean creatures hasn't

1380
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,079
really been my forte though

1381
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,800
i would talk about it i do i am

1382
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,559
interested in it of course

1383
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,480
everybody's been interested in the loch

1384
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,559
ness monster but

1385
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,880
well i mean you know after you start

1386
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,160
looking into it and there's

1387
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,880
many lakes especially in the united

1388
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:15,599
states

1389
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,640
in north america and

1390
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,200
a lot of it comes from indian or native

1391
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,920
american lore and such

1392
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,200
you know uh but people do

1393
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,119
in modern times do seem to see them i

1394
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,480
mean you mentioned

1395
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,960
uh lake champlain and there was a

1396
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,520
sighting

1397
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,760
uh there back in the 1800s from a

1398
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,760
steamboat

1399
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,680
where people had actually seen this

1400
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,680
thing of course the abc

1401
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,400
film at lake champlain has always

1402
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,839
fascinated me

1403
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,200
i don't know what the hell that thing

1404
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,119
was but you know

1405
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,119
it was pretty it was pretty convincing

1406
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,720
to me that there was something in there

1407
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,160
that really

1408
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,480
scientifically shouldn't have been there

1409
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,319
yeah there are a few compelling photos

1410
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,079
and we didn't really get

1411
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,440
we haven't had a chance to get into it

1412
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,119
too much but you know there's a lot of

1413
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,520
sonar evidence for these animals yeah

1414
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:06,960
i mean in loch ness there have been

1415
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,200
sonar contacts dating back to 1954

1416
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,800
quite a few actually by different

1417
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,480
scientific teams through the years

1418
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,720
using different levels of sonar

1419
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:18,240
technology as it's gotten better and

1420
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,800
better

1421
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,640
as recently as september of last year

1422
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,640
there was a sonar contact

1423
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,800
made by a boat skipper there on loch

1424
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,359
ness who has a tour boat and

1425
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,280
uh i think ronald o'brien was his name

1426
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:30,960
and this thing was like 500 feet

1427
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,319
deep and it was basically this long

1428
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,960
looked like a solid animal about 15 feet

1429
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,839
long or i'm sorry 20 to 30 feet long

1430
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,440
and uh so there's a lot of sonar

1431
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,119
contacts in

1432
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,200
loch ness also in lake champlain there

1433
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,720
have been there's been sonar evidence

1434
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,400
even some recently

1435
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,359
um and some of these other lakes too so

1436
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,880
i mean that's a whole nother level of

1437
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,160
evidence that

1438
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,839
you know and of course everyone out

1439
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,920
there your listeners are very educated

1440
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,520
so they know what sonar is it's

1441
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,640
basically

1442
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,720
you know like these fish finders they're

1443
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,000
just beaming sound waves

1444
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,760
through the water and then they bounce

1445
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,480
off of targets and echo back to a

1446
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,240
transponder and you basically get a

1447
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,079
contact of something

1448
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,640
sometimes it's a small fish but you know

1449
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,280
these these

1450
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,359
the ones that i'm talking about are

1451
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,960
they're not schools of fish according to

1452
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,720
people that have analyzed the contacts

1453
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,640
they're like solid objects

1454
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,000
that are animate and moving and big

1455
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,440
so i mean that's that's a whole other

1456
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,520
level of evidence so you know maybe as

1457
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:31,359
the technology gets better lawn you know

1458
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,240
with sonar

1459
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:34,880
and underwater cameras and now you have

1460
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,760
edna

1461
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,760
and that's that's taking place at loch

1462
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,920
ness so with all this new technology

1463
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:41,440
there is a chance that maybe we'll at

1464
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:42,480
least get a

1465
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:45,440
definitive answers to the uh the lake

1466
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,800
monster mystery

1467
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,920
well we can only hope really yeah

1468
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:52,480
um now i'm going to go completely off

1469
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,599
subject

1470
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:56,079
and ask you you about a year and a half

1471
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,599
ago you were involved with

1472
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,559
the film terror in the skies from small

1473
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:02,240
town monsters

1474
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:05,640
and uh of course you you know about our

1475
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,359
investigations in chicago lake michigan

1476
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:12,559
area of these wing human nights i have

1477
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,960
never

1478
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,480
asked you what do you think about that

1479
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,559
phenomenon

1480
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,359
well um you know admittedly lon you're

1481
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,960
gracious enough to send me a lot of

1482
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,960
those accounts early on when they first

1483
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,800
started kind of coming in

1484
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,559
and i read a lot of the eyewitness

1485
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,160
descriptions i haven't personally

1486
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,440
interviewed any of the witnesses but i

1487
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,319
read a lot of the

1488
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:33,599
the descriptions and the early reports

1489
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:37,280
and um you know i think that it fits the

1490
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,000
traditional

1491
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:41,440
mothman in terms of you know you have

1492
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:42,319
basically

1493
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,520
a lot of concentrated accounts in a

1494
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,920
in a short period of time in a specific

1495
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,720
area

1496
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,559
that was kind of the the pattern and

1497
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:52,240
point pleasant with the original mothman

1498
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,800
right

1499
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,640
and i've investigated similar flying

1500
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,960
humanoid flaps in mexico

1501
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,880
so it sounds like and there's i know

1502
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,559
there's also been one going on in kansas

1503
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,000
city recently as well

1504
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,559
so so you get these kind of it's like

1505
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,280
they just

1506
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,520
you know nobody hears anything from you

1507
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,520
know there are no reports

1508
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,440
you know for any given amount of time or

1509
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,720
that anyone's ever heard of and all of a

1510
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,480
sudden this thing appears

1511
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,160
and people a lot of people are kind of

1512
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,640
seeing it and um

1513
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,960
you know it's uh as far as the flying

1514
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:22,319
humanoids in general

1515
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,000
i mean i don't view that as a

1516
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,559
zoological problem because you know

1517
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,960
based on the descriptions of

1518
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,640
you know they just it's they're just too

1519
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:34,160
weird i mean when you're talking about

1520
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,040
combining like

1521
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,240
human-like features with wings and

1522
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,160
you know and then you know they're off

1523
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,640
in the circum the behavior patterns

1524
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,559
you know it's like these these flying

1525
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:46,880
humanoids are very menacing right they

1526
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,799
they chase cars and they they

1527
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,720
come out of the night and just terrify

1528
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,079
people and stuff

1529
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,440
and they seem to almost and i write

1530
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,960
about this in my book encounters with

1531
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,319
flying humanoids

1532
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,240
it almost seems like these flying

1533
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,960
humanoids whatever they are

1534
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:05,520
they kind of like feed off of the the

1535
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,000
emotion

1536
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:08,480
of fear or they're drawn to that that

1537
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:09,920
emotion

1538
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,960
um but i don't know i view that as more

1539
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,240
of a metaphysical

1540
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,480
thing and so you know i know i know the

1541
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,160
big argument against

1542
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,640
the the you know the michigan chicago

1543
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,559
great lakes mothman flap has been well

1544
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,480
if you know chicago

1545
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,319
come on man why are people saying this

1546
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,079
weird thing in chicago well

1547
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:30,160
if it's not an animal and if it's more

1548
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,839
of a supernatural or metaphysical

1549
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440
construct then that at least makes sense

1550
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,440
that it doesn't have to follow any

1551
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,160
zoological rules it can show up wherever

1552
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:41,359
it

1553
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:48,079
whatever but um

1554
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,839
i don't know i i i don't really

1555
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,440
you know i know a lot of people like to

1556
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:55,200
you know in terms of the moth man

1557
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:55,839
there's always

1558
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,640
of course the um the silver bridge

1559
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:00,799
tragedy is

1560
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,520
connected and so there's this uh this

1561
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,280
worldwide view that these flying

1562
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:06,880
humanoids like mothman

1563
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,640
are basically harbingers or or omen

1564
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,960
you know an omen of some kind of some

1565
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,720
but you know

1566
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,799
i mean in terms of the chicago area you

1567
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:18,160
know that would be interesting and you

1568
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,200
know where these

1569
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,960
sightings occurred to my head to my

1570
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,240
knowledge has there had there hasn't

1571
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,680
been any kind of like

1572
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,359
tragedy or anything like that in that

1573
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,799
specific area has there

1574
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,799
yeah not that i know of i mean you know

1575
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,880
chicago's got a lot of issues

1576
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,359
anyway but yeah you know as far as

1577
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:37,040
anything that we can connect to the

1578
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,160
phenomena

1579
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,160
no we just haven't really had that you

1580
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,480
know though i have had

1581
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,640
literally hundreds of people living that

1582
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:46,319
who live in chicago hadn't seen this

1583
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:46,880
thing

1584
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,319
who have called me to know ask me what

1585
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,000
the hell is going to happen in chicago

1586
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,000
of course i can't tell them that

1587
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,040
uh but you know people were people were

1588
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,760
frightened of it now of course

1589
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,280
most of the sightings of the past year

1590
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,359
and a half have been at o'hare

1591
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,440
which is crazy you know we're trying to

1592
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,520
really trying to get a

1593
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,160
get a beat on that because that you know

1594
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:12,400
and of course there's been some

1595
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,920
ufo and possible alien

1596
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:18,319
involvement as well so i don't know you

1597
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,040
know yeah

1598
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,440
so again it's that whole mothman pattern

1599
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,280
where you have all this kind of weird

1600
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,200
kilian stuff happening together oh

1601
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:27,040
absolutely yeah

1602
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,400
um yeah i don't know man it's um

1603
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,000
you know i these i've gotten a couple of

1604
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,119
uh mothman or flying humanoid

1605
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,960
experiencers recently that reached out

1606
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,240
to me that said that

1607
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,079
these things actually manifested in

1608
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,760
their house like there was one couple

1609
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:45,040
that claimed they were laying in their

1610
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,000
bed

1611
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,079
and it was like hovering it came in and

1612
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,839
it was hovering over them in the bedroom

1613
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,200
and that was a pretty

1614
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,880
harrowing account so i mean i can't

1615
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,319
imagine how terrifying something like

1616
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,839
that would be so again

1617
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,520
you know this is not whatever this

1618
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,440
phenomenon is

1619
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,119
and i you know no people don't always

1620
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,040
connect this like i do but i i

1621
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:05,440
i see a lot of parallels to the dog man

1622
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,480
phenomenon too

1623
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,960
because you know like like the flying

1624
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,880
humanoids dog man doesn't fit

1625
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,799
into the paradigm of the natural world

1626
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,880
it's not a fleshy blood

1627
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:17,280
along the same lines as me and it

1628
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,400
appears

1629
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:21,040
it behaves a lot of the same ways and it

1630
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:22,079
vanishes and

1631
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,240
you know there are green mists and

1632
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,359
popping noises

1633
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,000
and you know it's yeah so i don't know

1634
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,160
i'm not i'm not a paranormal

1635
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,200
researcher per se but that's that's how

1636
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,280
a lot of that feels is that it's it's

1637
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:37,040
just something you know not of this

1638
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,319
earth and

1639
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:41,119
i'm i'm not and i'm not too humble to

1640
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,559
say lon that

1641
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:45,119
that type of stuff is beyond my

1642
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,160
understanding

1643
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:48,240
i don't i don't unders i don't have the

1644
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,200
answers and i

1645
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,480
you know i think i think humans should

1646
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,160
get comfortable with that notion that

1647
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,839
there are things in our world in our

1648
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,799
universe

1649
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,880
that maybe just are not understandable

1650
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,559
that we're just not there yet in terms

1651
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:02,480
of being able to grasp exactly what's

1652
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:03,520
going on

1653
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:06,799
absolutely well it's been a conundrum to

1654
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:07,200
us

1655
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,240
you know how that is yeah well you know

1656
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:16,240
you're to be commended for documenting

1657
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,040
all of those

1658
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,839
those sightings and and putting them out

1659
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,440
there and you know people can form their

1660
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,440
own opinions you know based on

1661
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,240
sure you know reading your books or

1662
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,000
looking into the cases more if they like

1663
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:29,280
so

1664
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:34,079
tell the folks how they get contact with

1665
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:35,040
you

1666
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,200
forthcoming well thanks again for having

1667
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,960
me online it's always an honor to be on

1668
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,599
your show

1669
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:45,760
i've been been here many times and i've

1670
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:46,960
appreciated it

1671
00:59:51,789 --> 00:59:50,000
each and every time um so

1672
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,799
people can contact me on my website

1673
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,079
kengerhart.com but i'm also all over

1674
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:55,760
social media

1675
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,640
facebook twitter instagram and now even

1676
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:00,480
the dreaded tick tock i've i've had to

1677
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:01,520
get on there so

1678
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:04,640
um i have a youtube channel i've got

1679
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,040
some

1680
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,960
cool little short cryptid videos that

1681
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:08,480
that i do if people want to check that

1682
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:08,799
out

1683
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,160
and uh so yeah i'm contactable as far as

1684
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,440
what i have going on right now i'm going

1685
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,880
to be doing a lot of lectures around the

1686
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,960
country at different bigfoot conferences

1687
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:19,040
and hopefully some folks will come out

1688
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,319
and uh

1689
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,880
see me um but i'm getting ready in a

1690
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:24,799
month uh i'm headed with a group from

1691
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,839
texas and oklahoma out to northern

1692
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
california and we're doing a

1693
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,960
an eight-day expedition to search for

1694
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:33,839
alleged evidence of giant salamanders

1695
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,799
which have been reported um that are

1696
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,720
reported in native american lore up

1697
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,160
there but also

1698
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,000
many sightings in the in the 20th

1699
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:43,839
century and these are like supposed to

1700
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:46,720
be like five foot long salamanders

1701
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:49,760
um similar in size to the asians

1702
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,480
giant asian species like the chinese and

1703
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,400
japanese giant salamanders but

1704
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,240
it could be something else um we don't

1705
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,920
know we don't know if they even exist

1706
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:00,000
but we're gonna go out there and search

1707
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:01,760
for them and then uh

1708
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:04,000
so i'm excited about that and uh oh and

1709
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,960
we do have a uh

1710
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,720
you know i i hate to be that guy but we

1711
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:08,880
do have a gofundme because

1712
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:11,680
you know in cryptozoology there aren't

1713
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,240
there there's

1714
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,599
there are no grants there's no sponsor

1715
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,640
it's just us

1716
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,400
basically going out you know out of our

1717
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,040
pocket to do this and we love to do it

1718
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,119
but uh if anyone out there wants to to

1719
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,799
get involved we could definitely use

1720
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,960
some donations to help us just kind of

1721
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,880
pay for our rental car and our gas money

1722
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:30,640
to drive

1723
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:37,030
anyway i know you more than anybody

1724
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:38,640
because you're out there all the time

1725
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:38,960
and

1726
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,680
i'm passionate about it but

1727
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,599
people don't understand that there's not

1728
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,799
a lot of

1729
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,280
you know there's not there isn't the

1730
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,720
fame and glory and

1731
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:52,799
wealth that people often imagine with

1732
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,920
this kind of thing we

1733
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,359
those of us that do it we do it because

1734
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,599
we love it we're passionate about it

1735
01:02:01,829 --> 01:02:00,559
and uh you know it's a living but it is

1736
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,839
expensive to to

1737
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,839
do a lot of this kind of research you

1738
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:05,599
know because you gotta travel and

1739
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,280
buy equipment and stuff so anyways

1740
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,520
what can best all the power to you man i

1741
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,880
appreciate you coming home with me

1742
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,880
tonight and uh it's always good to talk

1743
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:15,920
to you

1744
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,039
and uh let's keep in touch

1745
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:21,359
same here law and uh thanks to everyone

1746
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,960
that uh in the chat room everyone that

1747
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:23,599
tuned in

1748
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:26,000
and uh yeah hopefully we'll talk again

1749
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,280
real soon

1750
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,240
okay will you take care you too buddy

1751
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,559
bye-bye

1752
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,480
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1753
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,480
setting feel free to contact me

1754
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,880
through the farms and monsters blog site

1755
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,280
i want to again thank ken gerhart for

1756
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:43,119
joining me this evening

1757
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,960
and thanks to each and all of you for

1758
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:46,960
watching and chatting

1759
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,920
if you made a super chat donation it's

1760
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,520
truly appreciated

1761
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,079
your support is what uh makes this a

1762
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:56,960
possible and uh please like subscribe

1763
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,160
and share and uh next week

1764
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,880
we've got a 14th friday show which we're

1765
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:04,240
going to have

1766
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:07,520
emanuel navarette and reagan lee joining

1767
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,839
us

1768
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:09,520
from the phantoms of monsters 14

1769
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,079
research team so until next week stay

1770
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:14,079
healthy have a safe enjoyable weekend

1771
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:36,090
[Music]

1772
01:03:36,100 --> 01:04:01,170
[Applause]